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	<title>Comments on: 4 Reasons Why Flippa Will Suck</title>
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		<title>By: Juan Davis</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-1075</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, I believe their numbers are inflated. I&#039;m pissed off with Flippa because all they do is take your money and nothing sells! I posted about them here, a must read: http://www.oychest.com/marketing/flippa-com-website-marketplace-stats-are-inflated/
I tried selling 5 websites and none sold. How come they brag about 60% conversion rate? Bull crap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I believe their numbers are inflated. I&#8217;m pissed off with Flippa because all they do is take your money and nothing sells! I posted about them here, a must read: <a href="http://www.oychest.com/marketing/flippa-com-website-marketplace-stats-are-inflated/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oychest.com/marketing/flippa-com-website-marketplace-stats-are-inflated/</a><br />
I tried selling 5 websites and none sold. How come they brag about 60% conversion rate? Bull crap!</p>
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		<title>By: MHavoc</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>MHavoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been several months now and I can&#039;t really say whether Flippa is a success or not.  I can say that I miss the old marketplace and the clarity of the design and layout.  I hate Flippa&#039;s interface and its clear that the move by Matt wasn&#039;t for the users, but a better way for them to create a money stream.  Good for them, but it doesn&#039;t mean we have to like it or thank them for it.  Just my opinion, but I think it still sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been several months now and I can&#8217;t really say whether Flippa is a success or not.  I can say that I miss the old marketplace and the clarity of the design and layout.  I hate Flippa&#8217;s interface and its clear that the move by Matt wasn&#8217;t for the users, but a better way for them to create a money stream.  Good for them, but it doesn&#8217;t mean we have to like it or thank them for it.  Just my opinion, but I think it still sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle: As Matt pointed out, I believe there &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a way to separate them into the old categories.  Seems people have a hard time finding it though.

@Andrea: That&#039;s true.  The new fees effectively destroy the profits for startup sites like that.  Although maybe those would be better of posted for free on Digital Point, even though it&#039;s so &quot;unprofessional&quot; compared to Flippa.

@Domaining Diva: I think they&#039;re just delusional.  What &quot;positive feedback&quot; are they talking about?  And for anyone wondering, that quote was from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4297273&amp;postcount=57&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; on the SitePoint forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle: As Matt pointed out, I believe there <em>is</em> a way to separate them into the old categories.  Seems people have a hard time finding it though.</p>
<p>@Andrea: That&#8217;s true.  The new fees effectively destroy the profits for startup sites like that.  Although maybe those would be better of posted for free on Digital Point, even though it&#8217;s so &#8220;unprofessional&#8221; compared to Flippa.</p>
<p>@Domaining Diva: I think they&#8217;re just delusional.  What &#8220;positive feedback&#8221; are they talking about?  And for anyone wondering, that quote was from <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4297273&#038;postcount=57" rel="nofollow">this post</a> on the SitePoint forums.</p>
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		<title>By: Domaining Diva</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Domaining Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for being responsive to feedback:

Mark Harbottle: Co-Founder of Sitepoint has this to say to his paying customers who voiced their thoughts on the new Flippa:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
    Thanks for all your positive feedback guys. We appreciate it. One thing to keep in mind…
    Our buyers aren’t going anywhere. They are savvy business people. They don’t care about the design of the site or the fact the logo sucks (the current logo is a placeholder BTW), they simply get on with the business of buying, and we’ve made it a lot easier for them to do that on flippa.com.

    Meanwhile while you all whine and complain about the fees, the design, etc. the smart sellers are listing their sites on flippa.com and they are attracting the majority of the buyer interest. They will also get the added benefit of the PR we’re about to roll out.

    So, it’s totally up to you! If you want to come across to flippa and sell your site in the professional marketplace we’re creating for serious buyers, we welcome you with open arms. If not, please do go to digitalpoint. List your site for free and see if the old adage of “you get what you pay for” applies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, it&#039;s true that you get what you pay for, and I&#039;m not paying for insults and name calling by a co-founder who doesn&#039;t like paying customers to air their negative opinions about the pathetic launch of Flippa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for being responsive to feedback:</p>
<p>Mark Harbottle: Co-Founder of Sitepoint has this to say to his paying customers who voiced their thoughts on the new Flippa:</p>
<blockquote><p>
    Thanks for all your positive feedback guys. We appreciate it. One thing to keep in mind…<br />
    Our buyers aren’t going anywhere. They are savvy business people. They don’t care about the design of the site or the fact the logo sucks (the current logo is a placeholder BTW), they simply get on with the business of buying, and we’ve made it a lot easier for them to do that on flippa.com.</p>
<p>    Meanwhile while you all whine and complain about the fees, the design, etc. the smart sellers are listing their sites on flippa.com and they are attracting the majority of the buyer interest. They will also get the added benefit of the PR we’re about to roll out.</p>
<p>    So, it’s totally up to you! If you want to come across to flippa and sell your site in the professional marketplace we’re creating for serious buyers, we welcome you with open arms. If not, please do go to digitalpoint. List your site for free and see if the old adage of “you get what you pay for” applies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s true that you get what you pay for, and I&#8217;m not paying for insults and name calling by a co-founder who doesn&#8217;t like paying customers to air their negative opinions about the pathetic launch of Flippa.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been flipping on Sitepoint off and on in the startup category for ages and I will never be able to again.  Startup sites sell for maybe $100 for the most part.  With Flippa requiring $19 up front to list plus $10 minimum in final value listing fees it will kill profits for small startup sites.  

And they say they are charging these ridiculous fees to raise the bar of quality but many of the $100 sites are very high quality they are just small and have no traffic.  They are after all STARTUP sites...

This new market place will drive me away permenently and I know at least five other flippers who say they will go elsewhere to sell their sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been flipping on Sitepoint off and on in the startup category for ages and I will never be able to again.  Startup sites sell for maybe $100 for the most part.  With Flippa requiring $19 up front to list plus $10 minimum in final value listing fees it will kill profits for small startup sites.  </p>
<p>And they say they are charging these ridiculous fees to raise the bar of quality but many of the $100 sites are very high quality they are just small and have no traffic.  They are after all STARTUP sites&#8230;</p>
<p>This new market place will drive me away permenently and I know at least five other flippers who say they will go elsewhere to sell their sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-784</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt,

As an experienced flipper who has sold a great many websites on sitepoint (many of them in the thousands), I have side with Leland on this point. Flippa doesn&#039;t feel right. 

First, as Leland rightfully pointed out, there used to be 3 sections: Startup, Established, and Premium, which was incredibly useful for both buyers and sellers. By chunking them altogether now, buyers will have any way of weeding out the gems from trash (believe me, there&#039;s an awful lot of those). The original guidelines established by the sitepoint marketplace was good. If if it ain&#039;t broken, don&#039;t try to fix it. 

Second, the design feels... wrong. There&#039;s a time and season for web 2.0-ish graphics but a professional marketplace for high-end websites shouldn&#039;t be one of them. The new design is almost blog-like. Not that its a major factor, but I can definitely see how some people be put off by the design. 

If nothing else, please try to fix the categorization. There NEEDS to be a distinction between the quality sites and the crap sites. I really liked the old sitepoint, and would hate to see flippa fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>As an experienced flipper who has sold a great many websites on sitepoint (many of them in the thousands), I have side with Leland on this point. Flippa doesn&#8217;t feel right. </p>
<p>First, as Leland rightfully pointed out, there used to be 3 sections: Startup, Established, and Premium, which was incredibly useful for both buyers and sellers. By chunking them altogether now, buyers will have any way of weeding out the gems from trash (believe me, there&#8217;s an awful lot of those). The original guidelines established by the sitepoint marketplace was good. If if it ain&#8217;t broken, don&#8217;t try to fix it. </p>
<p>Second, the design feels&#8230; wrong. There&#8217;s a time and season for web 2.0-ish graphics but a professional marketplace for high-end websites shouldn&#8217;t be one of them. The new design is almost blog-like. Not that its a major factor, but I can definitely see how some people be put off by the design. </p>
<p>If nothing else, please try to fix the categorization. There NEEDS to be a distinction between the quality sites and the crap sites. I really liked the old sitepoint, and would hate to see flippa fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt, thanks for taking the time to comment, even in response to a relatively not-so-influential blogger like myself.  It&#039;s nice to know that you are taking feedback (like the fees, etc.) into consideration, which is a very good thing.  I truly hope I&#039;m wrong about Flippa sucking, because don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m a big fan of SitePoint and would like to see you succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt, thanks for taking the time to comment, even in response to a relatively not-so-influential blogger like myself.  It&#8217;s nice to know that you are taking feedback (like the fees, etc.) into consideration, which is a very good thing.  I truly hope I&#8217;m wrong about Flippa sucking, because don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m a big fan of SitePoint and would like to see you succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mickiewicz</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Mickiewicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to address point #4: Click the &quot;Buy a Website&quot; button and then use the &quot;Saved Searches&quot; link to see a drop-down to view Premium/Established/Startup website filters. Most importantly though, you can setup CUSTOM filters using your criteria - revenue, page views, age of site, alexa ranking, unique visitors, type of revenue and more and then filter all listings against that criteria and even receive automatic email notifications when sites matching your criteria show up. That&#039;s incredibly powerful from a buyers standpoint and a big improvement over what we currently have.

#5: We&#039;ve been very active in responding to everyones comments, and have even modified how the fee can be paid. If you go back in time, you&#039;ll see similar 100+ post threads about why the Marketplace will fail when we started charging a $20 listing fee and predicting our imminent demise. Have a look: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292992

Likewise, 99designs received many similar comments from naysayers when we spun it out of SitePoint, only to see it grow faster than ever before while attracting national media attention from the likes of &quot;Good Morning America&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to address point #4: Click the &#8220;Buy a Website&#8221; button and then use the &#8220;Saved Searches&#8221; link to see a drop-down to view Premium/Established/Startup website filters. Most importantly though, you can setup CUSTOM filters using your criteria &#8211; revenue, page views, age of site, alexa ranking, unique visitors, type of revenue and more and then filter all listings against that criteria and even receive automatic email notifications when sites matching your criteria show up. That&#8217;s incredibly powerful from a buyers standpoint and a big improvement over what we currently have.</p>
<p>#5: We&#8217;ve been very active in responding to everyones comments, and have even modified how the fee can be paid. If you go back in time, you&#8217;ll see similar 100+ post threads about why the Marketplace will fail when we started charging a $20 listing fee and predicting our imminent demise. Have a look: <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292992" rel="nofollow">http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292992</a></p>
<p>Likewise, 99designs received many similar comments from naysayers when we spun it out of SitePoint, only to see it grow faster than ever before while attracting national media attention from the likes of &#8220;Good Morning America&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mwzd: Personally, I hardly ever use them.  Last time I listed a site there, got a lot of interest, but unfortunately none of that interest converted into an actual sale.

I think their current pricing is not that bad, since it at least filters out the complete garbage sites that would probably be listed if there was no fee.

Their new pricing structure is a little too Sedo-ish for my taste, with the percentages and all, but I think that&#039;s what they&#039;re going for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mwzd: Personally, I hardly ever use them.  Last time I listed a site there, got a lot of interest, but unfortunately none of that interest converted into an actual sale.</p>
<p>I think their current pricing is not that bad, since it at least filters out the complete garbage sites that would probably be listed if there was no fee.</p>
<p>Their new pricing structure is a little too Sedo-ish for my taste, with the percentages and all, but I think that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re going for.</p>
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		<title>By: mwzd</title>
		<link>http://leland.info/2009/06/14/4-reasons-why-flippa-will-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>mwzd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sitepoint is overrated tbh.

I dont even agree with their current pricing - $10 for a maybe sale is weird.

$19 listing + 5% is even worse, but they did make a go of 99designs, so you never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sitepoint is overrated tbh.</p>
<p>I dont even agree with their current pricing &#8211; $10 for a maybe sale is weird.</p>
<p>$19 listing + 5% is even worse, but they did make a go of 99designs, so you never know.</p>
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